Tim Timmons (Spiritual Burnout, Friendship with Jesus, & I Can Only Imagine 2)

Tim Timmons was diagnosed with incurable stage 4 cancer more than two decades ago and was told he had five years to live, yet he’s still waking up, still parenting, still writing songs, and still learning how to hold grief and gratitude in the same hand. He talks about the new movie “I Can Only Imagine 2” which is based on his story, and shares about his new book Waking Up Again. From the simple X he writes on his wrist each morning to the reminder that we get good at what we practice, whether that’s worry or trust, we dig into what it looks like to follow Jesus in the 10,000 minutes between Sunday gatherings. 
If you’re carrying spiritual burnout, chronic illness, anxiety, or just the exhaustion of trying to do faith “right,” this conversation offers a refreshing perspective.

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Transcript

The Relief Of Letting Go

SPEAKER_05 0:00

It's been really freeing even in these past years of my life when I quit working for God.

SPEAKER_00 0:05

I mean, can you say more about that? When you say you're done working for God, is there a part two to that? Or tell me more.

SPEAKER_05 0:12

No, that is that is it period. Man, it just wore me out. And so at some point, I just remember going, Jesus, I'm so done working for you and trying to be awesome for you.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 0:23

How about I just hang out with you for the rest of my days?

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Meet Tim Timmons And The Journey

SPEAKER_00 1:16

order. Hey everyone, welcome back to in the middle of it. I'm your host, Hannah Kerr. Today's guest is Tim Timmins. Tim Timmins is someone who truly demonstrates what it looks like to live holding gratitude and grief in the same hand. Tim was diagnosed with an incurable cancer over 24 years ago and given five years to live. Well, he's still waking up, still living today, and he is amazing. You guys are gonna be so blessed by Tim by his testimony and talking about I Can Only Imagine Two, which is a movie that features his story. So please welcome Tim Timmins. Okay, so this podcast is called In the Middle of It. Basically, the premise of the podcast is that we talk to people that are in the middle of a journey in life. Like I feel like sometimes in Christian culture we can be tempted to only testify about things when they're over and buttoned up and um big pretty bow. And that's just not how real life is. And so I bring people on here that are in the middle of something that they can testify about what they're learning about God and themselves before it's all figured out.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

And so I'm really excited to talk to you for so many reasons. I just have enjoyed getting to know you over the years, like random times that we've seen each other, and I watched you in a movie last night. So I'm like, wow. I mean, not you, but you, you know? Yeah, totally. So, anyways, I'm excited. Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_05 2:33

Oh, easy.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Tim Timmins, yeah. Okay, we're gonna start off. I just wrote a jingle.

SPEAKER_05 2:38

That's all I wrote a jingle for you. Tim Timmins, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

Yeah, that's good. It kind of sounded like red robin. Yum. Anyway, okay.

Quick Game And Everyday Takes

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Okay, it's very short. It's called Love It, Hate It, In the Middle of It. Okay. I'm gonna read you five things. You tell me if you love the thing, hate the thing, or feel in the middle of it, neutral. Ooh, I like that play. Okay. All right, number one, tattoos. Uh in the middle of it. Yeah. I mean neutral.

SPEAKER_05 3:09

Neutral.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Do you have any tattoos?

SPEAKER_05 3:11

I do not. I write this X my wrist every morning. Yes. But it is not a tattoo.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

It's not a tattoo, and it's intentionally not a tattoo.

SPEAKER_05 3:17

It's intentionally not a tattoo.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Okay, we're gonna talk about that a little more later, but I was curious if you had any other tattoos. Okay. Number two.

SPEAKER_05 3:24

None that I feel care you know, comfortable sharing.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

Right. You're like, we live in shroud of mysteries. Yeah. Have you heard the theory? This is so random, that Dolly Parton is covered in tattoos. Have you heard that?

SPEAKER_05 3:36

Well, when we dated, she would always no, I I've never heard that.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

Okay, I don't know if it's true or not, but like I've just heard actually, my dad, he was like, I think Dolly Parton is like covered like in tattoos completely.

SPEAKER_05 3:48

I hope so.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

That would be amazing.

SPEAKER_05 3:50

So baller.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Yeah. Okay, number two, stand-up comedy. Do you like stand-up comedy?

SPEAKER_05 3:55

I do.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

Yeah?

SPEAKER_05 3:56

I really do.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

I feel like you're so funny. I'm like, I wonder if Tim is into stand-up comedy.

SPEAKER_05 4:02

I that's thank you. Um, I cannot do stand-up comedy. You personally cannot. I could not, like, I can't tell a joke to save my life.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

You just are like a situational humor guy.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

I'm circumstantial. Yes. Dumb. I'm just dumb. And somehow, if it's not funny at some point, I'll keep going at the same bits, and then it's funny 20 times in.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

I love that. I was watching a video on your Instagram, and it's you and your wife Hillary, and you're like, this is my wife Hillary. We make out. Also, we wrote a book together.

SPEAKER_05 4:29

It's just dumb.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

It's just so funny.

SPEAKER_05 4:32

I'm just dumb enough to be dumb. It's so great.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

And she totally puts up with it, which I love. Yeah, it's great. Okay, number three, cereal.

SPEAKER_05 4:40

Yeah, man. I heart cereal.

SPEAKER_00 4:44

I art cereal.

SPEAKER_05 4:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

It's so good.

SPEAKER_05 4:46

So what were the what were the options again? It's love, love it, love it, hate it.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

Love it, hate it, or feel in the middle of it.

SPEAKER_05 4:51

Love it. Love it. Love it, middle, right in between.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Okay, perfect. Number four, chat GPT.

SPEAKER_05 4:58

Oh, I've just not jumped in enough.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Really?

SPEAKER_05 5:02

When um when I do use it, I really um am thankful for it. Yeah. Like I was trying to fix something on my son's computer last night and I called his best friend. It was like 11 p.m. And he's like, What do you mean, Mr. Timmins? I'm like, dude, I need this because you know you jacked up his computer like this. Help me do it. And he's like, Have you tried chat? I'm like, no, your face is dumb. You know, whatever. So I tried chat, and it's like, why don't you just do this? Do this and this and this. And then it was fixed.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

No way.

SPEAKER_05 5:29

As of today, yeah, in the middle of it and positive.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

Okay, amazing. Yeah, yeah. AI. And last but not least, camping. Do you like camping?

SPEAKER_05 5:39

I did as a kid.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Yeah?

SPEAKER_05 5:40

Yeah. But then when we had kids, I started saying bad words because my kids would get stuff on their feet and then they'd go in the tent.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:49

And then I just found out that I'm really um I just don't like dirt.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

Tent camping is is not for the faint of heart. I've never done it, to be fair. Oh yeah. I I always say I'm like being on a tour bus or being on the road isn't is camping enough for me. That's all the camping I need in my life.

SPEAKER_05 6:08

It's a form of glamping.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

Yes, it is. Yeah, it is. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 6:11

I could do it if it was just me and some dudes. Yes. Mess all day long.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

But with your whole family.

SPEAKER_05 6:17

Yeah, that's when that's when I said some strong words.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

Yeah, for sure. And you have four kids. I have a lot of kids. That's a lot of children.

SPEAKER_05 6:22

Yeah, we had twins at the end.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 6:24

So what a surprise. Yeah, we were done at two. Like two is plenty of children. Like if you have two. Or one. One's plenty. But two was real. And then we um we were gonna adopt down the road. We just had a big heart for adoption. And then we French kissed. And then we uh were told we're pregnant, and then they told us our twins.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 6:50

That really so we call them the twimmins.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

The twins.

SPEAKER_05 6:53

So they're pretty cool. So that's really good. Freshman in high school.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

Wow. Yeah. That's amazing to me. Yeah. Okay, you did great at the game. Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 7:02

Gosh, way too long. I know. I'm sure that was the longest positive.

SPEAKER_00 7:05

No, it definitely wasn't. Okay. It definitely wasn't. We've had that segment go like 15 minutes, and I'm like, this was supposed to be a quick game, but I love it. Two timmits. Okay.

A Movie About His Life

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Um, so the question of this podcast is what are you in the middle of right now in your life? I know there's a lot of ways to take this.

SPEAKER_05 7:26

So many ways.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

But where should we begin? Perhaps speaking about the movie that was made about your life.

SPEAKER_05 7:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

It's pretty amazing to me. You know how like in every interview someone sits down and they're like, if there was a movie made about your life, who would play you? Yeah. You can actually answer that question before I can only imagine two. Who would you have said would play you in a movie?

SPEAKER_05 7:50

Yeah, I think Kevin Hart was the first person that came to mind.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

Yeah, I mean, you guys are so similar. Same in so many ways.

SPEAKER_05 7:57

I don't know. If they started you know saying who should who should play you? And then you're kind of like Googling all these actors, going, Should this person play me? You know, it was so weird. I'm sure it kept naming people, and I'm like, yeah, that they're awesome. I mean, super awesome. And then when they finally said Milo, um my daughter started crying because she's a big This is us, uh, actually. So she was like Team Jess all the way. Me too. So that was weird when she's crying about you know the guy who's playing her dad.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:30

Uh yeah, but really he he is such a beautiful man and a beautiful friend.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

That's so cool. So you guys did form a friendship like sure in the process.

SPEAKER_05 8:39

Yeah, that's a lifelong friendship.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

That's so cool, so special. He seems like such an amazing person. Like you never really know how someone is, but I've watched some of his interviews, some of y'all's together, and I'm just like, he just seems so sweet and normal and kind, and like he really cared about portraying you well, yeah, which is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_05 8:58

Totally. I it was on the set, he would be the guy, so he's the biggest guy on set, right? Like, and for him to learn everybody's name on set, 200 people and something about that, just so he could like love them and serve them. He all will always put me in the highest place of honor. Every time we're together, he'll like somehow find a way to honor me before himself. I mean, it's just really Jesus-like. And he's not, you know, um necessarily a Jesus follower, but he's really intrigued by Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

And that's cool.

SPEAKER_05 9:30

I'm always like, dude, I I first told him, just so you know, I'm not gonna try to get you into my club or like the Christian club, or I'm not gonna evangelize to you. I yeah, we're just gonna be friends and learn from each other. And I've learned so much from him.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

That's so cool.

SPEAKER_05 9:43

I'm blown away by him, and I'm always like, dude, just so you know, I'm trying to figure out how to practice this way of Jesus, and it's not easy in this world. And dude, a lot of the things that you do just look like Jesus. Yeah. So well done.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 9:57

Yeah, really, really special.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

And just the concept of you know, not just preaching to someone, just being their friend and knowing them, letting them know you, like that's the whole thing, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 10:08

Yeah, I mean, I have so many people are like, so so have you have you given them the basically the four spiritual laws? Like, have you really sealed the deal yet?

SPEAKER_00 10:14

And I'm like, have you dangled him over hell like a marshmallow?

SPEAKER_05 10:17

Yeah, so good, Hannah. I love that. Uh and I just I just say it's not my job. Yeah. Like it's it's true. I get to love people, and if Jesus is real, yeah, then his invitation is his invitation. And so, yeah, that that's been really freeing, even in these past years

Why He Quit Working For God

SPEAKER_05 10:38

of my life. When I quit working for God, part of that was I quit evangelizing and doing the things that I don't even know are that biblical anymore.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:47

So I know that's kind of like a bomb to throw in the middle of something, but I mean, can you say more about that?

SPEAKER_00 10:52

When you say you're done working for God, is there a part two to that? Or tell me more.

SPEAKER_05 10:57

No, that is that is it period. I'm done working for God. I will never work for him again. I was a pastor in California at some really large churches, worship guy, and awesome at what I did. Like awesome. Top of my game, if you will.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:12

And at some point, I just was so tired. My neighbor at the time was this atheist guy, but had more like um, he had more fruit of goodness than was actually coming out in my heart. Like I could show you good things and show you all the things I wanted to show you, but what's going on in my heart was different from what I was watching. This atheist guy who had, in a sense, the fruit, I mean, didn't have the fruit of the spirit, but he like had joy and peace and kindness and all these things. And I'm like, dang it, I can display that, but if you look deeper into my heart, you won't actually see that.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 11:47

And man, that's rough when I'm pushing and pimping this good news, yet this atheist guy might have more of it than I do. And I'm trying to figure out how how how do we reconcile these things. Yeah. So, anyways, I found myself just soul tired and I was done working for God. I tried to evangelize as many times as I could. I tried to be nice to people because that's what we're supposed to do as Christians, be nice, be kind to this person. Tried to have more patience, I tried to have more fruit of Tim.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:17

And man, it just wore me out. And so at some point, I just remember going, Jesus, I'm so done working for you and trying to be awesome for you.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:26

How about I just hang out with you for the rest of my days?

SPEAKER_01 12:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:29

Like, what are you up to? Apparently it'd seek first your kingdom, not mine.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:34

So what are you doing? I'm just gonna join you in the cool things you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:37

And if I just get to work at Starbucks, then I'll just work at Starbucks. Or if you want to use any of my songs to do something cool that's helpful for your kingdom, not Timmins's. Yeah, then you open those doors and I will walk through those, but I will never work for you again. I will just join you, and I will never open another door again. I will just walk through the ones you open. So that's I love that.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

I love that you say I want to join Jesus in what he's already doing. Like you're not creating a new, you're just saying, God, what are you doing? And I'm gonna join you in that. Yeah. That's a really freeing way to live your life. I think a lot of people, I actually had Mike Donahy on here a couple weeks ago, and he was talking about how so many people get so caught up in what is God's will for my life. Like I have to walk the perfect tightrope, and I can't make any mistakes, and I like I'm trying to discern like what is God's perfect will, calling, am I supposed to be a musician? Like all these things. He's like, Man, there's just such freedom in being like, no, I'm just gonna belong to Jesus. And whatever that looks like in different seasons of my life is what it is, and that's great. Um, it sounds like you're saying a similar thing.

SPEAKER_05 13:37

I love Mike when he talks I love Mike, period. But I love when he talks about the will of God stuff because I think that's even being on the road, you hear that especially in a lot of the younger community, uh younger the kids like me. The kids of course who are just like, and I just spoke at Lipscomb the other day, and so many of the questions are really uh based around what's the will of God? Like, I don't want to miss it, I don't want to blow it.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

I don't want to do something a lot of fear-based questions. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:06

That that sucks.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:08

Like that's not the way that we're given or like invited into.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

Right.

SPEAKER_05 14:12

I think in Western Christianity or a religious thing, that's like at the center of it. I just don't think it is in the kingdom of God.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

Yeah, I think that's really good.

Cancer Perspective And Waking Up Again

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Okay, a question I have about I can only imagine two.

SPEAKER_05 14:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Um, great movie, by the way. I really enjoyed it so much.

SPEAKER_03 14:27

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

What from the movie is really true and what was kind of more movie magic? Like how close is it to the actual story of what happened?

SPEAKER_05 14:37

Yeah. I mean, so much of it is movie magic in that like my kids and Bart's kids are for the most part the same ages. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

And are all so you didn't find out you were pregnant with your first child on that tour? No. Okay. When was like when did the movie take place in real life?

SPEAKER_05 14:55

Yeah, so my part of the story and their part of the story are kind of just it's it's such you're trying to fit 20 years in a matter of an hour and 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:05

So I was given five years to live 25 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

Okay. Which is crazy.

SPEAKER_05 15:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:13

Yeah. So incurable cancer, stage four. Um, that was a wild season.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

I can't even imagine being 25 years old and getting news like that.

SPEAKER_05 15:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

It's it's just crazy, but here you are, it's been 24 years now, and you're waking up every day. Yeah. Like that perspective on life of just I was told my days were over, you know, and now to be here, like that's you have a very different perspective than a lot of people. The truth is that we don't know when the end of our days is gonna be. We totally could not make it to tomorrow. Totally. But we live as if we all know we're gonna live to a hundred and we've got all the time in the world to tell people about Jesus, to live like Jesus, to to know God, like, oh, we have all the time in the world, but that's not really true. Yeah, and I feel like your story is so inspiring to me and such a reminder of like, no, like every day is a gift, it really is, and that's true for all of us. It's just you are hyper aware of that gift.

SPEAKER_05 16:11

Yeah, I think the gift of sorrow and calamity, and in my case, cancer and all the dumb things that we walk through, yeah. Um, is sobriety. I really think I mean not just like alcohol and drugs, but like sobriety and the stuff that I end up worrying about and not just worrying about, but I I do more than worry. I like I engage in that practice. You know, like finances lately. I've been like I go from worry, just a quick thought of worry, to you know what I'm gonna do, I'm actually gonna practice worry. And which is super helpful. You know, worry is just really helpful as a practice.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

So helpful, yeah. It's it adds years to your life. Is that a good thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:55

Worry more because it's super helpful.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

It's super helpful, adds ears to your life. Yeah, perfect.

The X On His Wrist

SPEAKER_05 16:59

And I I just there's something so sobering about okay, man, when I write this X on my wrist every morning, yeah, I'm ultimately saying, Jesus, I naturally want to practice worry today. But I get to practice trust instead. We get good at what we practice. So I I just have this invitation of like, Tim, you woke up again. There's no reason why you you're supposed to wake up, but you did.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:24

And life is hard and you woke up. And how do we kind of reconcile these things? And so for me, I think the gift of the the sorrow is perspective and sobriety.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:33

So I'm just I'm my aim is to live more sober this year than I was last year. Just on all the things, on greed, on contempt that I have for different political parties in this world right now. I've got strong contempt, which means the best definition I have for contempt is thinking I'm better than somebody. And man, in the kingdom of God, I I'm not allowed. That's actually not allowed.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:57

And I want to be more sober to the political system of the kingdom of God this year than I was last year.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:04

That when somebody does something stupid, in my view, I don't get to say, you're an idiot, I'm better than you. Yeah. I get to say, Jesus, would you bless them?

SPEAKER_01 18:13

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 18:13

Pray wholeness over that person, the community. Like that's that's I'll follow that Jesus any freaking day.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

That's a pretty humble perspective to have, and that's hard, that's hard to uh do in our in our natural humanness, you know.

SPEAKER_05 18:29

So if we but but I can practice that.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:32

Like that becomes a actual practice that I get good at what I practice. And when I see that stuff, there are a few people that I have on my Instagram uh thing. A few people I've just taken off because it's actually so hard for my heart.

SPEAKER_04 18:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:43

But a few people that I have on there that I see that in my practice is pray blessing. And that's not like, hey, financially bless them, but like biblical blessing is to pray wholeness and fullness. Dude, that's that's baller.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

It is. That's really admirable. I feel like we, if everyone did that, we would be living in a very different world. It's so easy to get angry, it's so easy to honestly curse someone like that's our flesh is like, well, I just want to curse that person because they're bothering me, you know. But to speak blessings over them is I mean, that's what Jesus would do, you know. I think so. Yeah. I think I think that's what he says. He's like, when someone uh you know hits you on one cheek, you give them the other, like you know. So I I don't know, that's that's really amazing to me.

SPEAKER_05 19:34

And not amazing, uh, because like Tim's amazing. I'm just I'm in this experiment, and Hiller and I have been in this experiment for I don't know, 15, probably easily, strongly 15 years.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:46

Like, let's just try it and see if the way of Jesus actually does work.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:53

Because most of us don't actually believe it works. Like we say it, our theology says, you know what, God's so good and what he does, but we don't really live it. Yeah. Like, yeah, not many of us live it. And so we're just trying to figure out how do we be dumb enough to just put into experiment like following these ways.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:11

Not because we're rad, but that's why I write it every single day. It's why it's not a tattoo. It's not like Timmins, you forgot again. Like you built your own kingdom today, you protected your kingdom, it's just not worth protecting.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Wow. That's really inspiring to me, Tim. That's cool. And I hear what you're saying, that it's not you, it's not you even saying that to build yourself up. It's just like, hey, I'm just I'm learning this, I'm actively practicing this, I'm working on this, and that's really cool to me.

The Book And Intentional Mornings

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

So you have a new book. We do. Is it out or it's coming out?

SPEAKER_05 20:39

It's out. Okay, it's out. It's out.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Yeah, it's called Waking Up Again.

SPEAKER_05 20:43

Waking Up Again.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Can you tell us about the book?

SPEAKER_05 20:44

Yeah, I mean, I'm really good looking on it. I don't want to brag.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

You're like, this is me in my best self.

SPEAKER_05 20:52

Um, and what's better is if you check out my wife on this, well, don't check her out. That feels a little weird, but um Hiller and I wrote this book together, and it was something that we've wanted to do for a long time. She's a great writer.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

Cool.

SPEAKER_05 21:04

And um I just and I don't really care about like a biography about you know, autobiography about Tim Timmins, like who cares?

SPEAKER_00 21:12

But people would care, but I hear you.

SPEAKER_05 21:14

You know, like eight people would be like, oh, that's really interesting. But what I wanted to do was use a bunch of little stories to invite people into intentionally waking up every morning. Because kind of like what you said a second ago, like if Jesus people would just practice the way of Jesus, not nail it, but just practice, put into practice this stuff. Gosh, what could happen? So, yeah, so we wrote this book Waking Up Again. I have a new song called Wake Me Up Again. So this theme is really big to us.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

For sure.

SPEAKER_05 21:45

Just we got another day, people.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:47

And are we intentional? Or do I just wake up, brush my teeth, eat breakfast, work, get back to bed, you know, brush my teeth, and I'm done. Which is most of our lives. So what would happen if Jesus? People were intentional.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

Yeah. What would that actually look like?

Grief And Gratitude As An And

SPEAKER_00 22:03

I feel like your life too, I mean, it says there, like the a journey of grief and gratitude. Yeah. You hold two things really at the same time. I think sometimes this is just a people thing, not necessarily a Christian thing. We struggle to hold opposing things at the same time. Like we want it to either be this is the happiest season of my life, period, or this is the worst season of my life, period. And the truth is, is so much of life is holding two things at the same time. Yeah. And I feel like you are someone that does that like every single day in so many ways. How have you learned to do that? Like in practice, really hold two things that are opposing in the same hand.

SPEAKER_05 22:42

Yeah. That is such a great question. And somebody should do a podcast about how to do life in the middle of it. Right?

SPEAKER_00 22:49

I know.

SPEAKER_05 22:50

But your whole premise is is this, and I love it. Um, I at the end of the book, I say I'm trying to use more words, I'm trying to use less words with ending in E D and more words ending in ing. Like I've learned, here's what I've learned.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 23:07

Dude, I don't know if I've learned these things. I say that, but like, talk to me in a year, and I'm like, dang it. I don't really know that much back then. Yeah. And so I'm trying to use more words like I'm learning, I'm figuring, I'm working through these things.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:23

Um, I'm healing instead of I'm just healed. Like, and there's just something really powerful about that mindset, that's more process mindset than I've nailed it, or I've come to a certain place, or here's what I learned. Yeah, I'm just having a hard time with me using those that language. But I holding the the two, I mean, Jesus seems to do it non-stop.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:45

I mean, he even as he's grieving with his friends that just lost their, you know, Lazarus, he also knows what's happening over here and something he knows.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:56

But he's crying there, he's like actually grieving well, and then also holding the fact that God is good and he's at work in all things. Yeah. And I think I've I've really, you know, you kind of alluded to this earlier, that we say life is so hard, but God's good. And we go so quickly using that but word that um is inappropriate, A.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

Stop saying but.

SPEAKER_05 24:22

Yeah, okay, inappropriate. Um, but life is hard, but God's good. I don't love that word. I think life is hard and God is good, and he's at work in all things. That's right. And how do we hold the tension of the two? Yeah, I there's such a um a desire for just again, the purpose of your podcast is saying that not everything has to be figured out. And we can be in the middle of it and still hold the tension of this is so freaking hard.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:50

And he woke me up again today. And I I I'm just gonna practice joining him with the day that he gave me. This is the day he's made.

SPEAKER_04 25:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:00

I will practice joy with him in the middle of circumstances. I'm on tour right now, and gosh, the stories I'm hearing every single night. You know the deal. I mean you just hear the craziest things ever.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

People are hearing heavy things. Man. And you'd never know, and then they tell you, and you're like, wow.

SPEAKER_05 25:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

Yeah. So I I don't know. I I'm I feel more like a preschooler than I've been a varsity Christian my whole life, but I feel more like a preschooler these days, and preschool is way more fun.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 25:31

It's just simple. It's like, yeah, well, life's really hard and God woke God you woke me up again. Uh, you have my attention today.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

I mean, there really is something to that though, because that's the faith of a child, you know. It doesn't have to be like in the weeds of all the things. It's like, no, it actually is pretty simple, and like the kingdom of God is simple and belongs to that, you know. Um, yeah, that's that's so good. I feel like also knowing that in the middle, like when you are going through grief, but also feeling grateful, there is beauty and glory there. Like you're not just waiting for the ED, you're not waiting for the end, for the I learned this for it to be good. It's like, no, there's actually goodness in the meantime, and that's actually where we live most of our life. Like, I can I actually don't know if there's ever been a moment in my 29 years where I was like, yeah, I actually figured that out. Yeah, it's done. I'm over it. We're good. It's like, no, I mean, even things that God has healed me from, like ED, it's like, well, we're still healing. There's still more to work out, more to process. Like, that's what life really is.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Um, so I appreciate that you focus on that so much and talk about it because it is so important.

Practicing Jesus In The 10,000 Minutes

SPEAKER_03 26:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

Um, I also want to talk about you have a podcast um called 10,000 Minutes. Can you tell us all about that and your nonprofit?

SPEAKER_05 26:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

What is 10,000 minutes?

SPEAKER_05 26:54

Yes. I mean, that's you tell me.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:57

Uh yeah. I just when I was working for God for most, you know, first 33 years of my life, I worked for God. Um, and there's something symbolic about even just looking back on that, you know, because Jesus died at 33. I'm like, that's great. I I I'm happy to die at that point. My kingdom began to crumble.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:17

And um, yeah, so I left uh this great church community in California, and that next day I was leading this camp, and the pastor said something there, there are 10,080 minutes in a week. And I was like, that's actually really profound.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:35

10,080 minutes. And what hit me was I had done my whole life had been, hey, bring people to our 80-minute gathering. Um, we will tell you about Jesus. Bring people to this 80-minute gathering and we can worship together.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:48

Bring people to this 80-minute gathering and we will, whatever, right? All of our resources are about this 80-minute gathering. And I'm not dogging the 80-minute gathering. Um, I just, I just was like, dang it, I've spent my whole life on that, but they're 10,000 other minutes until we gather again.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:04

And as we travel, as we travel the country and the world, but mostly our country, you just kind of end up seeing a lot of things that we are kind of stuck on as a church.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:16

And that I am, I'll point out to myself.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:18

And when somebody cuts me off on the road in the 10,000 minutes, I have other things to show them or in my heart to say to them.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:26

Um, yet that's contempt. And so in the 10,000 minutes, how are we joining Jesus in the 10,000 minutes? How are we practicing like his way and his heart in the 10,000 minutes? And again, I just I can only imagine how profound it would be if Jesus people would practice the heart of Jesus in the 10,000 minutes. Not defending Jesus or being the moral police, yeah, but like practicing the heart of Jesus in the 10,000 minutes, even with the people they disagree with. Like, what could happen if we were hated, which I know it's like we're supposed to be hated, yes, but like for the right reasons.

SPEAKER_03 29:06

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 29:07

That we would be hated and persecuted because we are the biggest blessers of our enemies. What? Let's do that.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Let's do that.

SPEAKER_05 29:14

Let's be hated because we love people too much. We are too generous. Uh, we are the people who are protecting the people that can't be protected. I mean, hate me all freaking day for that.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:26

And I think we're rubbing up with Jesus on that one. Like we're like shoulders, rubbing shoulders with Jesus, going, we're in this together. So I just get excited about practicing, inviting Jesus people to practice his ways in the 10,000 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

Yeah. On your podcast, like we said earlier, you've done so many episodes. Are there any episodes that really stick out to you as like your favorite or super memorable conversations?

SPEAKER_05 29:51

Um with Bono, my favorite one. Just kidding. We didn't know. I was like, wait, where I missed that one. I'm totally kidding. Uh gosh, there's so many. Um, I for a part of a season, I would do them with uh Chris Cleveland of Starsco Dim, and he's one of my favorite humans ever. We did a bunch together, um, and we would interview, and we had a girl named Amoy Donise that worked with us, and and uh one of my favorite ones was we were rethinking words, Christian words, even the word blessing. So I had my friend Mike Erie, who's my favorite Bible teacher, um like lean into the word blessing and like help us rethink our thinking, which is repenting. The word for re repenting is rethinking our thinking. So that on blessing, that was so powerful. My mom, who's a therapist, oh wow, she uh one of our like our most watched and listened to um podcasts are with my mom. Wow. Which is fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

That's really cool.

SPEAKER_05 30:48

So she's a therapist, and so we did a two-part series on grief. And then we did a two-part series on apologies and how to apologize. And the grief one was really profound. She would talk about how we all grieve things every day. Like you lose your keys, you go through these stages of grief, even in losing your keys.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 31:08

And how are we practicing in those things? Healthy grief. So, yeah, so many episodes.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

So interesting.

SPEAKER_05 31:14

But I just I'm just curious. You're a great question asker, and you are a curious human, and I'm a really curious human. Um and so it's like this is so fun. Let's just learn stuff together.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Yeah, I enjoy it so much because I feel like being an artist, so much of your life is being asked questions. Like you're in the hot seat and you're just like, oh, I'm talking about myself so much. I'm tired of hearing my own story, my own life, my own voice. Like, I'm so enjoying hearing other people's stories and getting to ask questions because I am so curious. Like, I'm a researcher through and through. Like me and my husband were on your Instagram in 2017 last night. We were like trying to find things to ask you and you know pull yeah, yeah, find dirt on Tim Timmins. And like that's I enjoy that so much. Like it's part of my personality. So I really love it. I was scrolling through your episodes and I saw that you interviewed Mandisa before she passed away, which is so special to have her voice on recording, um, talking about mental health and all the things like that's priceless now that you have that recorded. That's so cool.

SPEAKER_05 32:17

Yeah, yes, yes, that yes, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Yeah, I listened to that episode after she passed, and I remember just being like, wow, this is amazing to have recorded forever that we get to listen to her. She was such a beautiful person. Um, yeah, she was always so encouraging to me, and she's a kind, kind soul. So, anyways, that stuck out to me when I was reading through.

Parenting Teens With Ownership And Repair

SPEAKER_00 32:40

But um, what are you in the middle of right now with like your family? Like you're raising teenagers in today's world.

SPEAKER_05 32:47

Yeah, I mean, parenting's the hardest thing I've ever done.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:50

By miles. My hero, um, one of my heroes would always say that um getting married is like getting your master's in character development.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 33:02

And then he said, and then having kids is like getting your doctorate in character development. And I feel that man, it's just this like wow, I didn't know this older human thing because when they're little, you're just you know, just all it's so hard in your body.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

And yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:19

But older is so great and uh just challenges your control and your heart. And it reveals so many things in me and Hillary, my wife.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Some is it sometimes like looking at a mirror of like who you were, who you are, and being like, wow, that's that's something.

SPEAKER_05 33:38

Maybe I think we're just you raise people the best that you can, and we're just trying to figure out how to do this well.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:47

And we fail in a lot of ways, and one of the main things that we practice is um I own things and then I repair in our marriage. I will own my stuff and I will repair. We will work toward repair. And with our kids, especially as they're getting older, there's so much of like, okay, dude. I my part of this, I'm I'm really sorry. I shouldn't have responded like that. And I'm I'm just sorry.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

That's really powerful to apologize to your kids. I feel like that's gonna save them some money in therapy later on.

SPEAKER_05 34:22

Yeah, and they're all gonna be in therapy, and I'm we're like, we've already committed to paying for their therapy. Honestly, I'm totally serious.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

Like you're like, we started an educational fund, but it's actually screw college.

SPEAKER_05 34:32

We're just going like from finance therapy. Because they're all gonna they all see things in different ways. Even though Hillary and I feel like we've done a really great job, even my daughter the other day was like, this happened and this happened, and that hurt me. And I'm like, if you knew the backstory to that, you're being lame, you know, like whatever it was. But but I'm not gonna say that to her face, but there's like there's this piece of that's how she saw the world, and it's how it like shaped her.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:57

And so for me to go, well, you know what, you were being really stupid, and we had to come at you like whatever, like there's nothing helpful about that.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:06

And so us just owning our part and even learning our part, like I could have done this probably more in a more beautiful way. Um, owning it, and then obviously not just going, Great, everything's great, you're you're fine.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:20

But trying to be honest about things and just owning and repair. Own it, repair. Marriage. Own it. Yeah. Find a way to own something and repair.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

Yeah. Yeah. That's a good word. I have an eight-month-old son, and so I'm in the whole like, we're just in it, we're surviving, you know. But I already feel that lack of control, like giving up control thing. Yeah. You know, he's so little, but I'm already like, man, I cannot force him to do anything. He's got baby strength. I'm like, I can't like, but even just thinking about who he's gonna be, like the man he's gonna grow up to be someday. I have no control over his decisions, over who he becomes. I just have to model what it looks like to follow Jesus and hope he chooses that for himself. Um, and that's really scary, kind of, and also freeing in some ways to be like it's God's job to help Owen, to shepherd Owen. Yeah. Um, and I just get to be his mom. But, anyways, I must I'm curious to ask other parents, like, what does the season of parenting look like for you? Because for me, it's just hands-on, not sleeping through the night.

SPEAKER_05 36:25

It's so great. And just this is you enjoy this season. Yeah. And there's like looking farther ahead, like it's when somebody told you before you got married, here's what you're gonna learn. You're like, yeah, you think about I remember, you know, I don't know how kid, is this kid friendly?

SPEAKER_00 36:39

I mean, you can say whatever you want. This is this is a free place.

SPEAKER_05 36:42

But you know, people would talk about like, you know, when you guys, you know, hug French kiss. Yeah, we do French kiss like for reals. Um, and people are like trying to help us, like just before we got married, and we're like, oh my gosh, we're gonna have no problem at this at all. And then you get married, like, crap, I probably should have listened.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

You're like, wait a minute, hold on.

SPEAKER_05 37:00

You just don't know what you don't know.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

You don't know until you're in the world.

SPEAKER_05 37:02

So you do your best in the moment to love Owen, yeah, and guide him, and yeah, I mean, all you know, and then it's you're just gonna keep figuring it out. I mean in the middle, we're in the process of parenting. Yeah. And we're learning crazy great things today, and then in a few years, yeah. Who knows? Who knows? You're doing great.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

I appreciate your mindset though, just your posture of being like, we're just doing our best and we're apologizing, we're owning it. Yeah, that's good. That's really good.

SPEAKER_05 37:34

Especially right now, it's actually more between you two as a married couple. And I mean, I we still deal with that too, but yeah, you know, gosh, once we had two kids, our mar it was a hard those are hard marital years.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:48

Because all of a sudden, it you know, for whatever reason, those are hard because Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:52

I mean, you go from just facing toward each other a hundred percent of the time to then you're kind of standing shoulder to shoulder, like facing this child and trying to work together. Um, and it's a different season, it's good. And I love things about Jason that I didn't know before he was a dad. Like now I'm like, wow, I love you for so many different reasons. But it is just a new season, and I know that's not gonna stop. Like, I think it just keeps changing as life changes. Yeah, but it is why it's so important to pick the right partner in life because truly, like, I couldn't imagine doing this with anyone else. Yeah, and it's so good, even though it's hard, it's good. It's holding two things at the same time, like we're talking about. I feel like being a mom is holding two things at the same time, being like, man, this is the hardest thing I've ever done. Yes, I'm the most tired I've ever been. I'm like, I don't even remember who I really am a lot of times, but it's also, and it's also I'm so grateful. I'm so joyful. It's the best season of my life. Like, there's nothing like it in the world.

SPEAKER_03 38:54

So dumb.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

So it really is an and, not a but. I'm gonna I'm gonna practice that. Thank you for for giving me that today.

Lament, Slowing Down, And Presence

SPEAKER_05 39:01

I kept hearing people uh earlier this year, actually, I kept hearing people do this the but put the butt there. Yeah. I was like, no, we're we're we're wallpapering over a big hole in the wall that's grief of something by just putting some Christian crap on there that's like I don't know if that's actually true.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

Yeah. We're not good at grief and lament as Christians. Like I don't know that we know how to handle it. I'm really speaking about myself too. Like when someone goes through a tragedy or gets uh hard news or whatever, we are so quick to be like, oh man, I'm so sorry to hear that. God's good though, you know. And it's true, but sometimes it's just like, man, I just need you to sit with me in the hard moment and just be my friend. Yeah, you know, kind of like you're saying about Milo. It's like ultimately, of course, you want him to know Jesus. That's the best way. But it's like I'm just gonna be your friend and sit with you in friendship, and that's the whole point, isn't it? So yeah, that's good. I like that a lot.

SPEAKER_05 40:02

It's something, it's something. I'm I'm still in process, but that is today. That is a thing that um I'm just loving and I'm finding so much freedom in.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

I love that. I have appreciated you so much today. Just everything that you've said. I feel like I as a listener, I know I'm like part of the podcast, but like as a listener, I've just really enjoyed everything you've said. So thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_05 40:24

Well, I have a lot of dumb things to say too.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

I love that as well. That's great. You gotta have both. It's and it's both and it's both and you need the wise and the dumb.

SPEAKER_05 40:33

Yeah, yeah. I I just and also there's a piece too of like I sh I don't know if tomorrow's coming. And there's a real beauty in just like finally taking deep breaths in life.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:45

Kind of not caring so much about the things that I've cared so much about.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:51

And it's like, great, I get to hang out with you today and be encouraged by you and encourage you, and what a cool thing.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

Yeah, what a gift, truly. It's not just like, oh, I checked that off the box, now I gotta rush home.

SPEAKER_05 41:03

Like, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

I saw someone post the other day, it was someone doing dishes, and they were like frantically scrubbing the dishes, and she was like, Wait, every time I remember, like it's not an emergency. Like, it's not. My nervous system is always like, it's an emergency, I have to hurry, I have to finish this. Oh true, you know, but it's like, what would it look like to actually just slow down and be like, it's not an emergency. I'm just washing dishes. And I could actually like spend time with God while I'm doing that. That's what a concept, you know? It's like I gotta hurry through my life so I can spend time with God. But it's like, what if you actually just spent time with him through your life? Like just pray without ceasing. Like that's what it says to do. What does that actually look like? It looks like slowing down and appreciating him in the gift of every moment of every day instead of like hoping for that day to come.

SPEAKER_05 41:48

Yeah. Yeah. And you know Jay Weaver and uh from the band Big Daddy Weave. Yeah. Um, and I have a whole chapter. I'm out with them right now with Big Daddy Weave.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_05 41:57

And I know you spend a lot of time there, but Jay, I have a whole chapter on Jay doing that. You know, he'd wake up every morning, just in unintentionally, he'd wake up at like 4 a.m. or 3 a.m. and just instead of going, gosh, why am I awake, he would just start praying.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:12

Man, to watch the fruit of that guy's life.

SPEAKER_00 42:14

I know it.

SPEAKER_05 42:15

I mean, literally a whole chapter of this just on just that kind of intentionality.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:21

Man, I I wanna I wanna do that.

SPEAKER_00 42:23

The stories that I hear about Jay are unbelievable to me. Like, it just what an amazing man. I actually never met him myself. I toured with Big Daddy Wee after the very first tour after he passed away, is when I started with him. But man, I mean, I've just heard so much about him from Mike and just the way he lived his life is so inspiring. And you're right, those like 3 a.m. moments with God, he would bring into the next day, and they saw miracles happen.

SPEAKER_05 42:47

Bro, I saw them.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

I mean, it's just unbelievable in the best way, but it's so believable. Like that's how God is, you know. Oh man, I bet that tour is amazing. Has it been so good?

SPEAKER_03 42:57

So fun.

SPEAKER_00 42:58

It just seems so sweet. What a great group of people. Yeah, it's so great. And I I couldn't say enough about Mike Weaver, he's just like the best guy of all time.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

Agree.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

Yeah. When you when you tour with people, you really get to know them, like you really see who they are behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_05 43:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

And when someone is exactly who you hope, that's like the best.

SPEAKER_05 43:16

Yeah, I'll tell him that you were given on grief.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

Absolutely, you should believe you.

SPEAKER_05 43:20

Yeah, a lot of dirt, a lot of dirt about your mic.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

And also before we end, the the song Even If is so special. I remember hearing that for the first time um when it came out and just being like, okay, this is this is something different. Like sometimes people talk about Christian music getting a bad a bad rap because it's a little cheesy sometimes, or you know, Christian music always has everything tied up in a perfect bow and it's whatever. That song is so great. Um has it had kind of a resurgence because of the movie and just people coming back to that truth of like, God, even if you don't, you are still my hope. Like that what an amazing message.

SPEAKER_05 43:56

Yeah. Yeah. I I I I think so. Like what what a gift. Even when I quit working for God, that part of that was me with the songs that I had written um just releasing things, going, if you want something to happen, God, that's b bigger than what I can do, then you know my label didn't want it. Crystal Lewis, who brought me a a different verse and a thing originally, um, she didn't want it for her thing, so the song was like dead in the water. And then when it all came out with Bart, it just was like cool. God, you know what's best. And this is a song that definitely feels like they're not not everything's tied up. Yeah. So I love that. And I love I just put my own version out, which is really fun.

SPEAKER_00 44:39

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_05 44:39

Um yeah, just such an honest song, and I love honest songs.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

Yeah. You are a true songwriter. I feel like I hear that in all of your songs. In that one specifically, it's like, yeah, God gave you a gift in that in that, so I'm thankful for it.

Wheel Question And Misophonia Confession

SPEAKER_03 44:53

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

Um, okay, as a way to end the podcast, we always end on a happy fun note, which is the middle moment, even though it's at the end. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get it.

SPEAKER_05 45:02

The middle end. The middle end. Yeah. Ooh, danger close.

SPEAKER_00 45:06

I got this wheel. Okay. I'm gonna have you spin the wheel. It's gonna land on a topic. There's eight options. Okay. And we're just gonna talk about whatever it is to end the podcast. So give it a give it a whirl.

SPEAKER_05 45:16

Oh, that was not a good one. Give it a better whirl. Okay, sorry, everybody. Oh, I see Peppy. I'm so happy.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Um, it's really going. That was like an excellent spin.

SPEAKER_05 45:28

Well, what does it say? Childhood memory.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

What's a great childhood memory that you have? Or you can pick, honestly, you can also pick whatever you want to answer if you got a good answer for any any topic on there.

SPEAKER_05 45:40

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Uh this is the moment where the the guest is always put on the spot and they're like, Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 45:51

I have so many thoughts. Childhood memories goes in two places, but um, you know, there's positive and negative ones that kind of come to our brain. Um, I mean, pet peeve is so easy. I have misophonia. Hi, I'm Tim Timmins, and I have misophonia.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

Is that the chewing thing?

SPEAKER_05 46:08

Yeah.

unknown 46:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 46:09

It is.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

Good thing I wasn't chewing gum on this episode. You would have been hating it.

SPEAKER_05 46:12

It's a well, maybe. And you know what? I can find grace for you, and I'll pray blessing for you. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm better for sure than yeah. Misophonia is a real thing. And I again, I just want to say that to you as the uh audience.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

Yes. Stop chewing with your mouth open.

SPEAKER_05 46:32

It just and I and I don't I'm not proud of it. Yeah, I'm not like, you know what? I've got misophonia and you need to change your ways. Uh-huh. I'm like, dang it, Lord, I feel like it is my thorn that I've said, Jesus, would you, father, would you take this away from me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, it's just the chewing in my side. I mean, it's just it really has a hold of my heart. I'm so sorry. And one of my kids has it too. Oh, no, and so then the other kids. Yeah, what of my other like my Noah, my son has it, and then my son Aaron's just like chomping away on cereal.

SPEAKER_00 47:03

Not chomping away. Cereal's a bad one for that.

SPEAKER_05 47:05

Yeah, he's just doing what he's doing because the poor kid's eating chips or something.

SPEAKER_00 47:08

And no one are like just oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 47:11

We have to like leave the room. And it's so sad.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

I bet that's hard on a tour bus because people are just munching snacks on tour bus.

SPEAKER_05 47:18

I know a guy yesterday was just making it out with ice. I mean, it was like his it was like his job. No. And I'm sitting there going, Oh, this is great. Everything's fine. You know what? Jesus, Lord, I lift your name. I'm just trying to like figure out ways to not have contempt. So funny. But it's my issue.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

It's a you problem, but it is understandable.

SPEAKER_05 47:35

Uh it is maybe. It's a thing. It's a thing. And I'm not again, I'm not proud of this.

SPEAKER_00 47:41

Wow. You heard it here first, you guys.

unknown 47:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

That's great. Um, yeah. That's great.

SPEAKER_05 47:46

Yeah, it's a great list. And I sorry that I did not answer the right one.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

No, that's great. I'm glad you answered one. That's great.

SPEAKER_05 47:52

I'm glad it wasn't conspiracy theories.

SPEAKER_00 47:54

Yeah. That okay. The funny thing is, the wheel is not weighted in any way. Like it's, you know, random. Yeah, yeah. It has landed on conspiracy theory in most episodes. Like, I literally earlier today I was like, am I gonna get like canceled for things that have been said in this moment on that podcast on our podcast? Because it's just like, wow. I mean, I'm not saying it's true, it's a theory for a reason. You know what I mean? But I'm just the host. Like, I'm just the messenger. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 48:22

Yeah, don't shoot this one.

Final Thanks And Wrap

SPEAKER_00 48:24

Tim, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. I can't wait for reading your book and listening to your music.

SPEAKER_05 48:30

Well, I've got one for you.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

Great. I can't do it.

SPEAKER_05 48:32

So you can use it as a I don't know, paperweight or something.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

No, I'm a huge reader. I will read it. Okay. Yeah. Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_05 48:38

Of course, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

Yeah. Woohoo!